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[[File:Rolling-war-machine.jpg|right|thumb|a rolling war machine]] | |||
[[File:Skynet.jpg|right|thumb|skynet.qemfd.net, exterior]] | [[File:Skynet.jpg|right|thumb|skynet.qemfd.net, exterior]] | ||
There were definitely also a Compaq Alpha SMP SCSI full tower and a [[Transmeta]] laptop in there somewhere, but for the life of me I can't recall their names. | There were definitely also a Compaq Alpha SMP SCSI full tower and a [[Transmeta]] laptop in there somewhere, but for the life of me I can't recall their names. For a few months, I owned a collection of old UNIX workstations covering IRIX, HPUX, AIX, and Solaris, but I donated these to the Georgia Tech Computing Museum, and never did enough with them to consider them truly known or loved. | ||
==home machines== | ==home machines== | ||
===qgp (2023--)=== | |||
* Aorus Elite X670 | |||
===[[Strangelet|strangelet]] (2022--)=== | |||
* Purchased largely as a unit off ebay for $999 | |||
* [https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/4U/8048/SYS-8048B-TRFT.cfm Supermicro SYS-8048B-TRFT] 24-bay 4U chassis | |||
* 4x Intel Xeon [https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/75248/intel-xeon-processor-e74850-v2-24m-cache-2-30-ghz/specifications.html E7-4850v2] Ivy Bridge CPUs | |||
* 4x 1620W [https://store.supermicro.com/1620w-1u-pws-1k62p-1r.html Supermicro PWS-1K62P-1R] PSUs | |||
* [https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10QBI Supermicro X10QBi] motherboard with 8x memory risers | |||
===[[Lenovo T580|grimes]] (2018--)=== | ===[[Lenovo T580|grimes]] (2018--)=== | ||
[[File:T580-opened-prem2.jpg|right|thumb|uptowngirl, before she became uptowngrimes and finally just grimes, 2019-03-09]] | [[File:T580-opened-prem2.jpg|right|thumb|uptowngirl, before she became uptowngrimes and finally just grimes, 2019-03-09]] | ||
* Lenovo T580 laptop | * [[Lenovo]] T580 laptop | ||
* Intel Core i7 8550U Skylake CPU | * Intel Core i7 8550U Skylake CPU | ||
* Samsung EVO 850 512GB SATA SSD (drive bay) | * Samsung EVO 850 512GB SATA SSD (drive bay) | ||
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* <b>first owned machine to run something but [[Debian|debian unstable]] in at least 15 years</b> | * <b>first owned machine to run something but [[Debian|debian unstable]] in at least 15 years</b> | ||
===[[ | ===[[Schwarzgerät_III|schwarzgerät]] (2016--)=== | ||
* [http://www.caselabs-store.com/magnum-t10-case/ CaseLabs T10] case ($490) | * [http://www.caselabs-store.com/magnum-t10-case/ CaseLabs T10] case ($490) | ||
* EVGA SuperNOVA 850 T2 220-T2-0850-X1 80+ Titanium PSU ($200) | * EVGA SuperNOVA 850 T2 220-T2-0850-X1 80+ Titanium PSU ($200) | ||
* Asus X99 Deluxe II ATX motherboard ($420) | * Asus X99 Deluxe II ATX motherboard ($420) | ||
** Replaced with Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master ($500) | |||
* Intel Core i7 6950X Broadwell-E CPU ($1650) | * Intel Core i7 6950X Broadwell-E CPU ($1650) | ||
** Replaced with AMD Threadripper 3970X ($1950) | |||
* 12x Seagate EXOS 12TB ST12000NM0007-2A drives ($340 per) | * 12x Seagate EXOS 12TB ST12000NM0007-2A drives ($340 per) | ||
** Replaced with 14x Seagate EXOS 18TB drives ($330 per) | |||
* 10x various 4TB drives <b>(sold as a group for $250)</b> | * 10x various 4TB drives <b>(sold as a group for $250)</b> | ||
* [[ | * [[Schwarzgerät_III#Bill_of_materials|full bill of materials]]... | ||
* <b>a truly ostentatious machine. a vulgar display of power.</b> | |||
===[[Rolling War Machine|skynet]] (2011--2017)=== | ===[[Rolling War Machine|skynet]] (2011--2017)=== | ||
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* Dell U3011 IPS LCD ($1089) <b>(damaged and sold in 2018 for $100)</b> | * Dell U3011 IPS LCD ($1089) <b>(damaged and sold in 2018 for $100)</b> | ||
* Debian Unstable (2.6.x, 3.x kernels) | * Debian Unstable (2.6.x, 3.x kernels) | ||
* <b>my first ass-kicking machine--money had ceased to be such a limiting factor by now.</b> | |||
===hyperbox (2010)=== | ===hyperbox (2010)=== | ||
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===mothership (2003--2006)=== | ===mothership (2003--2006)=== | ||
* '''Status: Retired''' | * '''Status: Retired''' | ||
* AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz, | * AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz, 2GB, Matrox G450 | ||
* 80GB 7200RPM + 3x500GB 5400RPM PATA | * 80GB 7200RPM + 3x500GB 5400RPM PATA | ||
* Debian Unstable (2.6.x kernels) | * Debian Unstable (2.6.x kernels) | ||
* <b>i fucking adored that athlon t-bird. the matrox was also elite AF.</b> | |||
===badassmotherfucker (2002)=== | ===badassmotherfucker (2002)=== | ||
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* 30GB 7200RPM + 3x300GB 7200RPM PATA | * 30GB 7200RPM + 3x300GB 7200RPM PATA | ||
* Debian Unstable (2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels) | * Debian Unstable (2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels) | ||
* <b>this was my first "good" computer, and the first i speced and put together myself.</b> | |||
===junta (2000)=== | ===junta (2000)=== | ||
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==work machines (highly incomplete)== | ==work machines (highly incomplete)== | ||
=== | ===DSSCAW: killermike (2019--)=== | ||
=== | * [https://www.corsair.com/us/en/carbide-275r-case Corsair Carbide] 275R mid-tower case ($70, Amazon) | ||
* [https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-2200g AMD Ryzen 3] 2200G APU ($85, Amazon) | |||
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X570-P/ ASUS Prime X570-p] motherboard ($170, Amazon) | |||
* [https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/vengeance-lpx-black/p/CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Corsair Vengeance] LPX DDR4 3000 16GB (2x8GB DIMMs) ($63, Amazon) | |||
* [https://www.rosewill.com/product/rosewill-lepton-500-modular-500-w-power-supply-80-plus-gold-certified/ Rosewill Lepton] 500 80+Gold PSU (Newegg, $60) | |||
* <b>my first AMD machine since 2004 or so. welcome back, Red Team.</b> | |||
===Luma/Newell: dankcanyon (2016--2018)=== | |||
* [http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html Intel Skull Canyon] NUC | * [http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i7kyk-features-configurations.html Intel Skull Canyon] NUC | ||
===Google | ===Google: recombinator (2014--2016)=== | ||
* HP Z420 workstation | * HP Z420 workstation | ||
* Goobuntu Precise/Trusty | * Goobuntu Precise/Trusty, Google Rodete | ||
=== | ===Google: eschatron (2014--2016)=== | ||
* Thinkpad T430s laptop | * Thinkpad T430s laptop | ||
* Dell M3100 laptop | * Dell M3100 laptop | ||
* Goobuntu Precise/Trusty | |||
===NVIDIA | ===NVIDIA: kingfriday (2011)=== | ||
* CoolerMaster HAF942 ATX full tower, Corvair 850TX BRONZE | * CoolerMaster HAF942 ATX full tower, Corvair 850TX BRONZE | ||
* Asus P6TD | * Asus P6TD | ||
* Quad-core [[Nehalem|Nehalem Core i7]] | * Quad-core [[Nehalem|Nehalem Core i7]] | ||
* NVIDIA 560ti, NVIDIA 480 GTX, NVIDIA 285 GTX | * NVIDIA 560ti, NVIDIA 480 GTX, NVIDIA 285 GTX | ||
* <b>you would not believe how hard I had to fight for these GPUs working at NVidia, ugh</b> | |||
=== | ===NVIDIA: eschatomatic (2011)=== | ||
* Dell Latitude E6510 laptop | * Dell Latitude E6510 laptop | ||
* Dual-core [[Nehalem|Core i7 Nehalem]] with [[SMP_on_x86#SMT|HyperThreading]], 8G PC-1333 on 4xSODIMM, NVIDIA NVS 3100M | * Dual-core [[Nehalem|Core i7 Nehalem]] with [[SMP_on_x86#SMT|HyperThreading]], 8G PC-1333 on 4xSODIMM, NVIDIA NVS 3100M | ||
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* 80GB SSD INTEL SSDSA2M080G2GC Intel X25-M SSD | * 80GB SSD INTEL SSDSA2M080G2GC Intel X25-M SSD | ||
* Windows Enterprise 7, Debian Unstable (2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels) | * Windows Enterprise 7, Debian Unstable (2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels) | ||
===AccelerEyes | |||
===AccelerEyes: mmas (2010)=== | |||
* [http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/43395/NV_DS_Tesla_S1070_US_Jun08_NV_LR_Final.pdf NVIDIA S1070] 1U Tesla compute node (4x NVIDIA C1060) | * [http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/43395/NV_DS_Tesla_S1070_US_Jun08_NV_LR_Final.pdf NVIDIA S1070] 1U Tesla compute node (4x NVIDIA C1060) | ||
=== | ===CipherTrust: areopagod (2008--2009)=== | ||
* '''Status: Returned''' | * '''Status: Returned''' | ||
* Dell Latitude laptop | * Dell Latitude laptop | ||
=== | ===CipherTrust: adytum (2007--2008)=== | ||
* '''Status: Stolen''' | * '''Status: Stolen''' | ||
* Dell Latitude XFR "All-Terrain Grade" ruggedized laptop | * Dell Latitude XFR "All-Terrain Grade" ruggedized laptop | ||
=== | ===CipherTrust: diaconicon (2005--2007)=== | ||
* '''Status: Lost''' | * '''Status: Lost''' | ||
* Dell Latitude laptop | * Dell Latitude laptop | ||
=== | ===CipherTrust: aho (2006--2009)=== | ||
=== | ===CipherTrust: providence (2006--2009)=== | ||
* <b>this repurposed 1U half-depth machine ended up replacing most of three racks run by IT, heh</b> | |||
=== | ===CipherTrust: knuth (2005--2009)=== | ||
=== | ===Reflex: bivio (2005)=== | ||
This company doesn't exist anymore, but they had a crazy 2xPentium + 8xPPC blade solution that we sold IPS on. I wonder what happened to our demo copy. It was the second loudest single computer I've ever been around, the loudest being a [[Tilera|Tilera Gx]]. | |||
=== | ===Reflex: desoxyn (2004--2005)=== | ||
=== | ===Reflex: discordia (2000--2005)=== | ||
====panzer (2001--2005)=== | ===Reflex: eris (2000--2003)=== | ||
===Reflex: panzer (2001--2005)=== | |||
[[File:cnn-911.jpg|thumb|Sun Microsystems built some fine hardware. Oracle is a travesty.]] | |||
* 4U Supermicro | * 4U Supermicro | ||
* 2xPentium IV Xeon | * 2xPentium IV Xeon | ||
===TeleSync | |||
===TeleSync: marcello (2000)=== | |||
* Sun Ultra 10 | * Sun Ultra 10 | ||
* 6GB SCSI | * 6GB SCSI | ||
<b>Sun workstations will be forever pimp. press f for respects</b> | |||
===CNN: lemont (20 minutes in 1999)=== | |||
One day I showed up at CNN, played some Tecmo Bowl in NESticle, hit on a few girls in the non-techy areas of the floor, and saw what I assumed to be furniture being wheeled into my office. It turned out to be one of our production Sun Enterprise 4500's, a machine costing well over a hundred thousand dollars in 1999 money. I assumed that respect was finally being properly paid, and accepted the gift in tribute. Very upset people reclaimed it less than half an hour later, and yea verily, this was not the most ridiculous (nor the most discombobulated) horseshit I witnessed in a few months at the Cable News Network. | |||
Fun(?) story: that machine was one of the two valiant frontline webservers that delivered the stripped-down CNN front page of 2001-09-11. | |||
==school machines (highly incomplete)== | ==school machines (highly incomplete)== | ||
[[File:sun-enterprise-4500.jpg|thumb|A Sun Enterprise 4500, one serious fucking machine in its pre-bubble heyday.]] | |||
===sunbuzz=== | ===sunbuzz=== | ||
===hogwarts=== | ===hogwarts=== | ||
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===oscar=== | ===oscar=== | ||
===acme=== | ===acme=== | ||
My freshman year, we started a punk band named acme-x, named after one of the six machines behind the <tt>acme.gatech.edu</tt> alias. | |||
==colo'd machines== | ==colo'd machines== | ||
===dankvps=== | ===dankvps=== | ||
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* 1U Supermicro, AMD Athlon K7, 2GB | * 1U Supermicro, AMD Athlon K7, 2GB | ||
* 2x300GB PATA | * 2x300GB PATA | ||
* <b>lived next to gehennom.net in what turned out to be an unauthorized setup, causing much angst :(</b> | |||
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Latest revision as of 12:10, 21 January 2024
There were definitely also a Compaq Alpha SMP SCSI full tower and a Transmeta laptop in there somewhere, but for the life of me I can't recall their names. For a few months, I owned a collection of old UNIX workstations covering IRIX, HPUX, AIX, and Solaris, but I donated these to the Georgia Tech Computing Museum, and never did enough with them to consider them truly known or loved.
home machines
qgp (2023--)
- Aorus Elite X670
strangelet (2022--)
- Purchased largely as a unit off ebay for $999
- Supermicro SYS-8048B-TRFT 24-bay 4U chassis
- 4x Intel Xeon E7-4850v2 Ivy Bridge CPUs
- 4x 1620W Supermicro PWS-1K62P-1R PSUs
- Supermicro X10QBi motherboard with 8x memory risers
grimes (2018--)
- Lenovo T580 laptop
- Intel Core i7 8550U Skylake CPU
- Samsung EVO 850 512GB SATA SSD (drive bay)
- Big-ass additional 4X50M08812 72Wh battery
- MyDigital SBXe 480GB M.2 2242 NVMe SSD (internal m.2 slot)
- first machine on which i ran arch linux
- first owned machine to run something but debian unstable in at least 15 years
schwarzgerät (2016--)
- CaseLabs T10 case ($490)
- EVGA SuperNOVA 850 T2 220-T2-0850-X1 80+ Titanium PSU ($200)
- Asus X99 Deluxe II ATX motherboard ($420)
- Replaced with Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master ($500)
- Intel Core i7 6950X Broadwell-E CPU ($1650)
- Replaced with AMD Threadripper 3970X ($1950)
- 12x Seagate EXOS 12TB ST12000NM0007-2A drives ($340 per)
- Replaced with 14x Seagate EXOS 18TB drives ($330 per)
- 10x various 4TB drives (sold as a group for $250)
- full bill of materials...
- a truly ostentatious machine. a vulgar display of power.
skynet (2011--2017)
- Status: Sold ($250)
- CoolerMaster HAF932 ATX full tower ($139)
- ABS Majesty 900W GOLD power supply ($149)
- Intel Core i7-2600k Quad-core 3.4GHz Sandy Bridge ($315)
- Noctua NH-D14 SSO processor cooler ($75)
- 16GB via 4xG.SKILL Ripjaws X 7-8-7-24 DDR3-1600 ($115)
- 11x2TB 7200RPM WDC WD20EARS-00MVWB0 Western Digital Caviar Green / 5700RPM ST2000DL003-9VT1 Seagate 3.5" in RAID6
- 2x320GB 7200ROM ST9320423AS Seagate 2.5" in RAID1
- 2x120GB SSDSA2CW12 Intel 320 SSD 2.5"
- LSI SAS2008 2xSAS SFF-8470 -> 4x SATA 6.0Gbps ($240)
- AsRock Extreme4 Z68 motherboard ($270)
- Asus Xonar Essence ST audio card ($200) (replaced with USB DAC, sold for $50 in 2017)
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 video card ($100, purchased refurbished via NVIDIA employee program)
- Dell U3011 IPS LCD ($1089) (damaged and sold in 2018 for $100)
- Debian Unstable (2.6.x, 3.x kernels)
- my first ass-kicking machine--money had ceased to be such a limiting factor by now.
hyperbox (2010)
- Status: KIA (spilled a beer in it)
- ASUS G60JX laptop
- Quad-core Core i7 Nehalem with HyperThreading, 8G PC-1333 on 4xSODIMM, NVIDIA 360M
- 500GB 7200RPM ST9500420AS Seagate Momentus 7200.4
- 32GB SSD
- Debian Unstable (2.6.x kernels)
recombinator (2006--2012)
- Status: Retired
- ATX full tower, Intel DG965WH, 480W
- Dual-core Core 2 Duo, 4G PC2-6400 on 4xUDIMM, Intel G965
- NVIDIA GT210, NVIDIA 8400 GTS
- 300GB 10000RPM WDC WD3000HLFS-01G6U1 VelociRaptor 3.5"
- 64GB TS32GSSD18M-M SSD 2.5"
- Debian Unstable (2.6.x, 3.x kernels)
mothership (2003--2006)
- Status: Retired
- AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz, 2GB, Matrox G450
- 80GB 7200RPM + 3x500GB 5400RPM PATA
- Debian Unstable (2.6.x kernels)
- i fucking adored that athlon t-bird. the matrox was also elite AF.
badassmotherfucker (2002)
- Status: MIA. possibly stolen
- Tadpole SPARCLE 500 laptop
- UltraSPARC IIe @ 500MHz, 1GB PC-133 ECC, 40GB PATA
- Sun Solaris 8
nectar (2001--2003)
- Status: KIA (caught fire)
- AMD Athlon K7 1GHz, 1GB, Matrox G450
- 30GB 7200RPM + 3x300GB 7200RPM PATA
- Debian Unstable (2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels)
- this was my first "good" computer, and the first i speced and put together myself.
junta (2000)
- Status: Retired
- Pentium 90, 16MB, S3 Virge
- 4-port Intel Gigabit Ethernet
- Slackware Linux 7.0 (2.4.x kernels), OpenBSD, Solaris x86
rift (1999--2001)
- Status: Retired
- Pentium 133, 16MB
- 4GB + 80GB PATA
- 2-port Intel Gigabit Ethernet
- Slackware Linux 7.0 (2.4.x kernels), Debian Unstable (2.4.x kernels), OpenBSD
luckystrike/hoist (1998--2001)
- Status: Retired
- HP Pavilion
- Pentium II Celeron @ 300MHz, 32MB, Matrox G200
- 6GB + 30GB PATA
- Windows 98, RedHat Linux 5.2 (2.0.x kernels), Mandrake Linux (2.2.x kernels), Slackware Linux 7.0 (2.4.x kernels), Debian Testing (2.4.x kernels)
shadowgate (1995--1998)
- Status: Retired
- 386SX, 4MB, VGA, Hayes Optima 14.4kbps external modem
- 2x20MB + 1GB PATA
- Renegade BBS
- MSDOS 6.22, FreeBSD 3.0, Slackware Linux 3.0 (1.x kernels)
pc (1992--1995)
- Status: KIA (took it apart)
- 8086, 1MB, CGA, Hayes-compatible 2400bps internal modem
- 10MB MFM
- Telix BBS
- MSDOS 4.0, MSDOS 5.0
ATARI 400 (1985--1996)
- Status: KIA (took it apart)
- MOS 6502 @ 1.8MHz + ANTIC + GTIA + POKEY, 8KB, ATARI 410 Data Cassette Drive
- Microperipherals Microconnection 300bps acoustic coupler
- ATARI OS Rev. B
work machines (highly incomplete)
DSSCAW: killermike (2019--)
- Corsair Carbide 275R mid-tower case ($70, Amazon)
- AMD Ryzen 3 2200G APU ($85, Amazon)
- ASUS Prime X570-p motherboard ($170, Amazon)
- Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 16GB (2x8GB DIMMs) ($63, Amazon)
- Rosewill Lepton 500 80+Gold PSU (Newegg, $60)
- my first AMD machine since 2004 or so. welcome back, Red Team.
Luma/Newell: dankcanyon (2016--2018)
Google: recombinator (2014--2016)
- HP Z420 workstation
- Goobuntu Precise/Trusty, Google Rodete
Google: eschatron (2014--2016)
- Thinkpad T430s laptop
- Dell M3100 laptop
- Goobuntu Precise/Trusty
NVIDIA: kingfriday (2011)
- CoolerMaster HAF942 ATX full tower, Corvair 850TX BRONZE
- Asus P6TD
- Quad-core Nehalem Core i7
- NVIDIA 560ti, NVIDIA 480 GTX, NVIDIA 285 GTX
- you would not believe how hard I had to fight for these GPUs working at NVidia, ugh
NVIDIA: eschatomatic (2011)
- Dell Latitude E6510 laptop
- Dual-core Core i7 Nehalem with HyperThreading, 8G PC-1333 on 4xSODIMM, NVIDIA NVS 3100M
- 500GB 7200RPM ST9500420AS Seagate Momentus 7200.4
- 80GB SSD INTEL SSDSA2M080G2GC Intel X25-M SSD
- Windows Enterprise 7, Debian Unstable (2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels)
AccelerEyes: mmas (2010)
- NVIDIA S1070 1U Tesla compute node (4x NVIDIA C1060)
CipherTrust: areopagod (2008--2009)
- Status: Returned
- Dell Latitude laptop
CipherTrust: adytum (2007--2008)
- Status: Stolen
- Dell Latitude XFR "All-Terrain Grade" ruggedized laptop
CipherTrust: diaconicon (2005--2007)
- Status: Lost
- Dell Latitude laptop
CipherTrust: aho (2006--2009)
CipherTrust: providence (2006--2009)
- this repurposed 1U half-depth machine ended up replacing most of three racks run by IT, heh
CipherTrust: knuth (2005--2009)
Reflex: bivio (2005)
This company doesn't exist anymore, but they had a crazy 2xPentium + 8xPPC blade solution that we sold IPS on. I wonder what happened to our demo copy. It was the second loudest single computer I've ever been around, the loudest being a Tilera Gx.
Reflex: desoxyn (2004--2005)
Reflex: discordia (2000--2005)
Reflex: eris (2000--2003)
Reflex: panzer (2001--2005)
- 4U Supermicro
- 2xPentium IV Xeon
TeleSync: marcello (2000)
- Sun Ultra 10
- 6GB SCSI
Sun workstations will be forever pimp. press f for respects
CNN: lemont (20 minutes in 1999)
One day I showed up at CNN, played some Tecmo Bowl in NESticle, hit on a few girls in the non-techy areas of the floor, and saw what I assumed to be furniture being wheeled into my office. It turned out to be one of our production Sun Enterprise 4500's, a machine costing well over a hundred thousand dollars in 1999 money. I assumed that respect was finally being properly paid, and accepted the gift in tribute. Very upset people reclaimed it less than half an hour later, and yea verily, this was not the most ridiculous (nor the most discombobulated) horseshit I witnessed in a few months at the Cable News Network.
Fun(?) story: that machine was one of the two valiant frontline webservers that delivered the stripped-down CNN front page of 2001-09-11.
school machines (highly incomplete)
sunbuzz
hogwarts
killerbee
havoc
orcus
shaftnet
angband
oscar
acme
My freshman year, we started a punk band named acme-x, named after one of the six machines behind the acme.gatech.edu alias.
colo'd machines
dankvps
- Status: you're reading it
- VPS with Linode, who are awesome
- Previously with 1and1, who were garbage
- E5-2680 v3, 8GB RAM, 180GB disk
slump (2004--2005)
- Status: stolen
- 1U Supermicro, AMD Athlon K7, 2GB
- 2x300GB PATA
- lived next to gehennom.net in what turned out to be an unauthorized setup, causing much angst :(