Check out my first novel, midnight's simulacra!

TRX40: Difference between revisions

From dankwiki
No edit summary
 
(63 intermediate revisions by the same user not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
[[File:STRX4-pins.jpg|thumb|right|sTRX4 pin layout (courtesy HWBattle)]]
[[File:STRX4-pins.jpg|thumb|right|sTRX4 pin layout (courtesy HWBattle)]]
Third-generation AMD ThreadRipper processors make use of the [https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/str40 TRX40 platform]. It is not backwards-compatible with first- or second-generation ThreadRippers, though the primary difference is in pin layout (the number of pins has not changed). It utilizes LGA ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_grid_array Land Grid Array]) and is speced at 15W.
Third-generation AMD 7nm ThreadRipper processors make use of the 14nm [https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/str40 TRX40 platform]. It is not backwards-compatible with first- or second-generation ThreadRippers, though the primary difference is in pin layout (the number of pins has not changed). It utilizes LGA ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_grid_array Land Grid Array]—FCLGA-4094 to be precise) and is speced at 15W. AMD recommends liquid cooling for the 32-core 3970x and 64-core 3990x.
 
I'm likely going with a [[Schwarzgerat II|Gigabyte Aorus Master plus a 3970x]].
 
==CPUs==
{|class="wikitable sortable"
! Model
! MSRP
! Cores
! Clocks
|-
| 3990X
| $3990
| 64
| 2.9/4.3
|-
| 3970X
| [https://amzn.to/3c1Oxua $1949]
| 32
| 3.7/4.5
|-
| 3960X
| $1399
| 24
| 3.8/4.5
|-
|}


==TRX40==
==TRX40==
TRX40 is built around the sTRX4 socket, and supports:
The TRX40 chipset is built around the sTRX4 socket, and supports:
* Quad-channel DDR4 w/ optional ECC
* Quad-channel DDR4 w/ optional ECC
* 88 PCIe 4.0 lanes
* Up to 72 PCIe 4.0 lanes
** The CPU provides 56 lanes, and the TRX40 chipset another 16.
** AMD literature quotes "88 lanes". The 16-lane difference refers to internal uplink lanes. Kinda lame to quote them, IMHO.
* Up to 12 USB3.2
* Up to 12 USB3.2
* Up to 4 USB2.0
* Up to 4 USB2.0
Line 12: Line 40:


==Motherboards==
==Motherboards==
I'm kinda bummed by at least the initial set of TRX40 motherboards. They all tout high-end audio implementations—largely because the chipset doesn't offer HD Audio capability(!)—but anyone who cares about their audio switched to an external DAC years ago IMHO. I'd like to see a few more x1 and x4 slots on these boards; no one has more than a 4x16+1x1 physical configuration. The introduction of [https://www.sprezzatech.com/blog/0009-a-disquisition-into-the-sadly-slovenly-takeup-of-10gbase-t.html 10GigE] is nice to see, but I've already got cards for that (I must admit that this reclaims a slot). Almost all the onboard NICs are Intel or Aquantia, both manufacturers with much better Linux support than Realtek or, Allah forbid, Broadcom. In particular, everyone's offering Intel wireless (since the AX200 is the only mainstream IEEE 802.11ax aka WiFi6 chipset), which is lovely.
At these price points, there's absolutely no excuse for an unattached I/O shield. Firm that shit up.
The [[Gigabyte_Aorus_Xtreme_TRX40|Gigabyte Aorus XTREME]], ridiculous name aside, is an absolutely beautiful board.
{| class="wikitable sortable"
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Model
! Model
! MSRP
! MSRP/<br/>Form
! Form
! NICs
! NICs
! USB
! USB
! Store
! Store
|-
|-
| ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)
| [https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-Zenith-II-Extreme/ ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)
| $850
| [https://amzn.to/2HcYSVG $850]<br/>EATX
| EATX
| AQC-107 10GigE<br/>I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi6
| AQC-107 10GigE<br/>I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi6
| 4x USB 3.2 Gen 2 (back)<br>2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 (front)<br/>3x USB 3.2 Gen 2 (back 2xA+C)<br/>3x USB 2.0<br/>4x USB 3.2 Gen 1 (back)<br/>1x USB 3.2 Gen <br/>2x2 (back C)
| 4x 3.2G2 (back)<br>2x 3.2G2 (front)<br/>3x 3.2G2 (back 2xA+C)<br/>3x 2.0<br/>4x 3.2G1 (back)<br/>3.2G2x2 (back C)
| 4xM.2 Socket 3<br/>8x SATA3
| 5x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|-
|-
| ASUS Prime TRX40 Pro
| [https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Prime-TRX40-Pro/ ASUS Prime TRX40 Pro]<br/>x16/x16/x16/x1
| $450
| [https://amzn.to/39tC2FH $450]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| 1211-AT GigE
|
| 6x 3.2G1 (back A)<br>3.2G2 (front)<br/>4x 3.2G2 (back 3xA+C)<br/>2x 2.0<br/>4x 3.2G1 (back)
|
| 3x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|
|-
|-
| Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Pro WIFI
| [https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Pro WIFI]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1
| $400
| [https://amzn.to/2UB4AJ7 $400]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| 1211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 4x 3.2G2 (back 3xA+C)<br/>3.2G2 (back A)
|
| 3x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|
|-
|-
| Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8) + x1
| [https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10#kf Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1
| $500
| [https://amzn.to/2vXCkG7 $500]<br/>EATX
| EATX
| AQN108 5GigE<br/>2x IL211 GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 4x 3.2G2 (back A)<br/>3.2 Gen 2 (back C)<br/>3.2 Gen 2 (back A)<br/>3.2 Gen 2 (internal C)<br/>4x 3.2G1<br/>2x 2.0 (back A)<br/>6x 2.0 (internal)
|
| 3x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|
|-
|-
| ASRock TRX40 Creator
| [https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/TRX40%20Creator/ ASRock TRX40 Creator]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)
| $450
| [https://amzn.to/37cbgA4 $450]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| AQC107 10GigE<br/>RTL8125-AG 2.5GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
| AQC107 10GigE<br/>RTL8125-AG 2.5GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
|
|
| 3x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|-
|-
| ASUS ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming
| [https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-TRX40-E-Gaming/ ASUS ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming]<br/>x16/x16/x16/x4
| $550
| [https://amzn.to/2HbvTSs $550]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| RTL8125-CG 2.5GigE<br/>I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 4x 3.2G2 (back)<br/>3.2G2 (front)<br/>4x 3.2G2 (back 3xA+C)<br/>8x 2.0<br/>4x 3.2G1
|
| 3x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|
|-
|-
| Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Extreme
| [https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10 Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Extreme]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)<br/>AORUS AIC 4xNVMe card
| $850
| [https://amzn.to/2SdlBqY $850]<br/>XLATX
| XLATX
| X550-AT2 2x10GbE<br/>AX200 WiFi6
| X550-AT2 2x10GbE<br/>AX200 WiFi6
|
| 5x 3.2G2 (back A)<br/>3.2G2 (back C)<br/>3.2G2 (internal C)<br/>4x 3.2G2 (internal A)<br/>4x 2.0 (internal)
|
| 4x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|-
|-
| Gigabyte TRX40 Designare
| [https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/TRX40-DESIGNARE-rev-10#kf Gigabyte TRX40 Designare]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1<br/>AORUS AIC 4xNVMe card<br/>GC-Titan Ridge card
| $650
| [https://amzn.to/2UDLP7F $650]<br/>XLATX
| XLATX
| 2x I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 5x 3.2G2 (back A)<br/>3.2G2 (back C)<br/>3.2G2 (internal C)<br/>3.2G2 (internal A)<br/>2x 2.0 (back A)<br/>4x 2.0 (internal)
|
| 4x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|
|-
|-
| MSI Creator TRX40<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)
| [https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40 MSI Creator TRX40]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)<br/>MSI M.2 Xpander-Aero Gen4 card
| $700
| [https://amzn.to/31Jkxy9 $700]<br/>EATX
| EATX
| AQC107 10GigE<br/>I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
| AQC107 10GigE<br/>I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 3x 3.1G2 (back A)<br/>5x 3.1G1 (back A)<br/>3.2G2 (back C)
|
| 3x M.2 S3<br/>6x SATA3
|-
|-
| ASRock TRX40 Taichi
| [https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/TRX40%20Taichi/ ASRock TRX40 Taichi]<br>x16/x16/x16/x1<br/>Hyper Quad 4xNVMe card
| $500
| [https://amzn.to/2UDLP7F $500]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| RTL8125-AG 2.5GigE<br/>I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 2x3.1G2 (back A)<br/>4x3.1G1 (back A)<br/>3.2G2 (back C)
|
| 2x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|
|-
|-
| MSI TRX40 Pro 10G
| [https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/TRX40-PRO-10G MSI TRX40 Pro 10G]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1<br/>MSI M.2 Xpander-Aero Gen4 card
| $500
| [https://amzn.to/3brfsPB $500]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| 2x I211-AT GigE<br/>AQC107 10GigE
| 2x I211-AT GigE<br/>AQC107 10GigE
|
| 3x 3.1G2 (back A)<br/>4x 3.1G1 (back A)<br/>3.2G2 (back C)
|
| 2x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|-
|-
| MSI TRX40 Pro WiFi
| [https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/TRX40-PRO-WIFI MSI TRX40 Pro WiFi]<br/>x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1<br/>MSI M.2 Xpander-Aero Gen4 card
| $470
| [https://amzn.to/2UEgpy1 $470]<br/>ATX
| ATX
| 2x I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
| 2x I211-AT GigE<br/>AX200 WiFi 6
|
| 3x 3.1G2 (back A)<br/>4x 3.1G1 (back A)<br/>3.2G2 (back C)
|
| 2x M.2 S3<br/>8x SATA3
|-
|-
|}
|}
==Cooling==
Third-generation Threadrippers are rated at 280TDP at a large 58.5mm×75.4mm geometry. As of February 2020, very few AIO coolers cover the entire IHS (integrated heat spreader).
* [[Noctua|Noctua's]] 140mm [https://noctua.at/en/nh-u14s-tr4-sp3 NH-U14 TR4-SP3] HSF does provide full coverage.
* The [https://www.enermaxeu.com/products/cpu-cooling/liquid-cooling/liqtech-tr4-ii/ Enermax Liqtech TR4 II] AIO is similarly designed for this large socket (though you'll find many negative reviews regarding internal gunkification after a few months).
* CoolerMaster's [https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-liquid-coolers/masterliquid-ml360-rgb-tr4/ MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4] edition also has a full waterblock, but good luck finding one
* The [https://www.icegiantcooling.com/ IceGiant ProSiphon Elite] is well-regarded, and designed for Threadripper
===Waterblocks===
Remember, any waterblock designed for TR4 will work fine with sTRX4. Only the pin configuration changed.
* [https://amzn.to/39kPD1R XSPC Raystorm]
* [https://amzn.to/2OHgCgc EKWB EK-Velocity]
* [https://amzn.to/2Sw5yUo Bykski A-RYZEN-TECH-V2-X]
* [https://optimuspc.com/products/absolute-cpu-block-threadripper-3 Optimus Threadripper 3]


==External links==
==External links==
* Anandtech, "[https://www.anandtech.com/show/15121/the-amd-trx40-motherboard-overview- The AMD TRX40 Motherboard Overview: 12 New Motherboards Analyzed]", 2019-11-28
* Anandtech, "[https://www.anandtech.com/show/15121/the-amd-trx40-motherboard-overview- The AMD TRX40 Motherboard Overview: 12 New Motherboards Analyzed]", 2019-11-28
* WCCFTech, "[https://wccftech.com/amd-trx40-motherboard-round-asus-asrock-aorus-msi/ AMD TRX40 Motherboard Roundup For 3rd Gen Ryzen Threadripper CPUs]", 2019-11-07
* Wikipedia's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_sTRX4 Socket sTRX4] page
* KitGuru, "[https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x-3970x-cpu-review AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X & 3970X CPU Review]", 2019-11-25
* ServeTheHome, "[https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3970x-review-32-cores-of-madness/ AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X Review: 32 Cores of Madness]", 2019-11-25
[[CATEGORY: Hardware]]

Latest revision as of 21:10, 19 August 2022

sTRX4 pin layout (courtesy HWBattle)

Third-generation AMD 7nm ThreadRipper processors make use of the 14nm TRX40 platform. It is not backwards-compatible with first- or second-generation ThreadRippers, though the primary difference is in pin layout (the number of pins has not changed). It utilizes LGA (Land Grid Array—FCLGA-4094 to be precise) and is speced at 15W. AMD recommends liquid cooling for the 32-core 3970x and 64-core 3990x.

I'm likely going with a Gigabyte Aorus Master plus a 3970x.

CPUs

Model MSRP Cores Clocks
3990X $3990 64 2.9/4.3
3970X $1949 32 3.7/4.5
3960X $1399 24 3.8/4.5

TRX40

The TRX40 chipset is built around the sTRX4 socket, and supports:

  • Quad-channel DDR4 w/ optional ECC
  • Up to 72 PCIe 4.0 lanes
    • The CPU provides 56 lanes, and the TRX40 chipset another 16.
    • AMD literature quotes "88 lanes". The 16-lane difference refers to internal uplink lanes. Kinda lame to quote them, IMHO.
  • Up to 12 USB3.2
  • Up to 4 USB2.0
  • Up to 20 SATA III
  • Up to 2 4x NVMe

Motherboards

I'm kinda bummed by at least the initial set of TRX40 motherboards. They all tout high-end audio implementations—largely because the chipset doesn't offer HD Audio capability(!)—but anyone who cares about their audio switched to an external DAC years ago IMHO. I'd like to see a few more x1 and x4 slots on these boards; no one has more than a 4x16+1x1 physical configuration. The introduction of 10GigE is nice to see, but I've already got cards for that (I must admit that this reclaims a slot). Almost all the onboard NICs are Intel or Aquantia, both manufacturers with much better Linux support than Realtek or, Allah forbid, Broadcom. In particular, everyone's offering Intel wireless (since the AX200 is the only mainstream IEEE 802.11ax aka WiFi6 chipset), which is lovely.

At these price points, there's absolutely no excuse for an unattached I/O shield. Firm that shit up.

The Gigabyte Aorus XTREME, ridiculous name aside, is an absolutely beautiful board.

Model MSRP/
Form 		NICs USB Store
ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8) 		$850
EATX 		AQC-107 10GigE
I211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi6 		4x 3.2G2 (back)
2x 3.2G2 (front)
3x 3.2G2 (back 2xA+C)
3x 2.0
4x 3.2G1 (back)
3.2G2x2 (back C) 		5x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
ASUS Prime TRX40 Pro
x16/x16/x16/x1 		$450
ATX 		1211-AT GigE 6x 3.2G1 (back A)
3.2G2 (front)
4x 3.2G2 (back 3xA+C)
2x 2.0
4x 3.2G1 (back) 		3x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Pro WIFI
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1 		$400
ATX 		1211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		4x 3.2G2 (back 3xA+C)
3.2G2 (back A) 		3x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Master
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1 		$500
EATX 		AQN108 5GigE
2x IL211 GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		4x 3.2G2 (back A)
3.2 Gen 2 (back C)
3.2 Gen 2 (back A)
3.2 Gen 2 (internal C)
4x 3.2G1
2x 2.0 (back A)
6x 2.0 (internal) 		3x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
ASRock TRX40 Creator
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8) 		$450
ATX 		AQC107 10GigE
RTL8125-AG 2.5GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		3x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
ASUS ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming
x16/x16/x16/x4 		$550
ATX 		RTL8125-CG 2.5GigE
I211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		4x 3.2G2 (back)
3.2G2 (front)
4x 3.2G2 (back 3xA+C)
8x 2.0
4x 3.2G1 		3x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Extreme
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)
AORUS AIC 4xNVMe card 		$850
XLATX 		X550-AT2 2x10GbE
AX200 WiFi6 		5x 3.2G2 (back A)
3.2G2 (back C)
3.2G2 (internal C)
4x 3.2G2 (internal A)
4x 2.0 (internal) 		4x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
Gigabyte TRX40 Designare
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1
AORUS AIC 4xNVMe card
GC-Titan Ridge card 		$650
XLATX 		2x I211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		5x 3.2G2 (back A)
3.2G2 (back C)
3.2G2 (internal C)
3.2G2 (internal A)
2x 2.0 (back A)
4x 2.0 (internal) 		4x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
MSI Creator TRX40
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)
MSI M.2 Xpander-Aero Gen4 card 		$700
EATX 		AQC107 10GigE
I211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		3x 3.1G2 (back A)
5x 3.1G1 (back A)
3.2G2 (back C) 		3x M.2 S3
6x SATA3
ASRock TRX40 Taichi
x16/x16/x16/x1
Hyper Quad 4xNVMe card 		$500
ATX 		RTL8125-AG 2.5GigE
I211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		2x3.1G2 (back A)
4x3.1G1 (back A)
3.2G2 (back C) 		2x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
MSI TRX40 Pro 10G
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1
MSI M.2 Xpander-Aero Gen4 card 		$500
ATX 		2x I211-AT GigE
AQC107 10GigE 		3x 3.1G2 (back A)
4x 3.1G1 (back A)
3.2G2 (back C) 		2x M.2 S3
8x SATA3
MSI TRX40 Pro WiFi
x16/x16(8)/x16/x16(8)/x1
MSI M.2 Xpander-Aero Gen4 card 		$470
ATX 		2x I211-AT GigE
AX200 WiFi 6 		3x 3.1G2 (back A)
4x 3.1G1 (back A)
3.2G2 (back C) 		2x M.2 S3
8x SATA3

Cooling

Third-generation Threadrippers are rated at 280TDP at a large 58.5mm×75.4mm geometry. As of February 2020, very few AIO coolers cover the entire IHS (integrated heat spreader).

Waterblocks

Remember, any waterblock designed for TR4 will work fine with sTRX4. Only the pin configuration changed.

External links

Retrieved from "https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php?title=TRX40&oldid=8810"